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Mayor Bloomberg wants to try something new
Published on June 19, 2007 By IanTyger In US Domestic

This article from Fox about a pilot program in New York City caught my eye. It sounds like an excellent idea to me (the only good idea Mayor Bloomberg has had IMHO, but hey).

It descibes a pilot program to pay poor people for actions taken to lift themselves out of poverty - read the article for details. Payments for going to doctors for routine checkups, for kids getting good (95%-level) grades, etc

 But the thing that caught my eye was this quote from an opponent of the plan:

"But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.

Waller, who served as a domestic policy adviser in the Clinton administration, said it would be more effective to focus on labor issues, such as making sure wage laws are enforced and improving benefits for working people."

I was gobsmacked by this; and I rather suspect our host will get his blood pressure raised. Everyone I know who was poor (and are no longer), and everything I've read on the subject says, in effect, that poor people can in fact be successful if they make better choices. Lord knows if I had made better choices I would be in a much better position than I am now - in fact, if I hadn't had more "cushion" in my life and finances I would be poor now - I'm just now learning how to really manage my finances.

So what are you going to do, Margy, when the program shows that it's working?


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on Jun 19, 2007
A really stupid policy in my opinion.  Wanting to pay people to make choices in their life that they should be making anyway is quite ridiculous.  
on Jun 19, 2007
A really stupid policy in my opinion. Wanting to pay people to make choices in their life that they should be making anyway is quite ridiculous.


Somehow, though, we need to communicate that better choices DO result in financial success. While most people in America aren't poor because they choose to be, many ARE poor because of choices they make. Any solution to poverty, then, should center around teaching them to make better choices, however we want to do that.

But yeah, it's dumb policy. It invites people to play the system.
on Jun 19, 2007

The best part - it is being paid for with private money.

So it is worth a shot.

on Jun 19, 2007
The experiment is being paid with private money.  This is something that just screams for government money eventually.

on Jun 19, 2007
But yeah, it's dumb policy. It invites people to play the system.


people are playing the system now. but on the other hand the system is playing the people. why do you think that lady is so much against people making better choices.
becouse if they do she might be out of a job.
on Jun 19, 2007
people are playing the system now. but on the other hand the system is playing the people. why do you think that lady is so much against people making better choices.
becouse if they do she might be out of a job.


Ok, this is why people tend not to like you, danielost. You had a valid point but you lost it with your condescending manner.

You're right, poverty is big business. But since I've been beating that drum on here for three years now, you're not telling me anything I don't know. But I also know the mindset of many of the poor. They'll play the game, get their checks, and still won't end up any better because, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water...

Programs like this won't work any better than the handout welfare system we currently have. At the end of the day all we'll have is another breastbeating politician touting his accomplishments when in reality he did little of substance.
on Jun 19, 2007
Eliminate welfare for able-bodied, able-minded people and you'll see a lot fewer poor people.
on Jun 20, 2007
Eliminate welfare for able-bodied, able-minded people


you can't do away with welfare it KEEPS the poor poor
on Jun 20, 2007
Kinda funny how all the solutions the Gov't can come up with always seems to be centered around putting free money in the hands of those who could not manage it before. Education, that is the key. Send them to school, educate them and if they learn great, if they don't their loss.
on Jun 20, 2007
Kinda funny how all the solutions the Gov't can come up with always seems to be centered around putting free money in the hands of those who could not manage it before.


Exactly, and this is just another example of it.  I mean seriously.......paying someone monthly if they hold a full-time job?  How ridiculous is that?


on Jun 20, 2007
paying someone monthly if they hold a full-time job?


I know what you mean, but your statement struck me as funny. After all, isn't that why we hold down full time jobs? To get paid?
on Jun 20, 2007
Exactly, and this is just another example of it. I mean seriously.......paying someone monthly if they hold a full-time job? How ridiculous is that?


Although, it would make sense for an EMPLOYER interested in helping the poor to offer bonuses for attendance and longevity. Still, the people who need it most probably wouldn't get it.
on Jun 20, 2007
this money will end up going into some politicians pocket
on Jun 21, 2007
I know what you mean, but your statement struck me as funny. After all, isn't that why we hold down full time jobs? To get paid?


LOL. I saw that as well. LOL

Although, it would make sense for an EMPLOYER interested in helping the poor to offer bonuses for attendance and longevity. Still, the people who need it most probably wouldn't get it.


My wife gets bonuses for good attendance and my job give incentives every 3 months based on how good my Dept does. I just so happen to belong to the Accounting dept even though I work in the mailroom. Kinda nice.
on Jun 21, 2007
My wife gets bonuses for good attendance and my job give incentives every 3 months based on how good my Dept does. I just so happen to belong to the Accounting dept even though I work in the mailroom. Kinda nice.



And good employers do that because they realize the value of rewarding employees. One of the best jobs I ever had had an hourly production incentive coupled with quarterly and yearly bonuses. To get the hourly incentive all you needed to do was produce over quota...if you produced an extra hours' worth of product, you got an extra hours' worth of pay. I was averaging $11-12 an hour for unskilled labor at this factory back in 97...not counting bonuses (my Christmas bonus one year was about $800).
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